I dealt with one earnest bonehead today from AMA and I got so impatient with him wasting my time. "Keep up the good work" . Have you heard anything on the University of Science, Arts and Technology? Good luck to anyone on the path to becoming a doctor, I wish you the best! I have done my research on Carrib med schools and I do not think I would have an issue with the island life as my parents are from the carribean and I would love to hear what you have to say about class size esp anatomy classes, and professor relationships and well preparation for USMLE Step 1 program and clinical rotations. (1) Yes, Ive heard SGU did overfill one of their classes. I did not let them beat my humanity out of me! Check out the upcoming test dateshere for the U.S. and here for Canada. Americans dont GO there anymore. It is so tough. They would fail a few just to prove their Machismo, but no failure quotas. They will bring in a bunch of people, weed a bunch out, and the best test-takers out of the bunch will keep moving up the ladder. This added with the intense work load and adaptation into the pace of medical school is the third round of students to drop out. The rest left because they were worried that their chance of making it through the program wasnt worth the six figures of debt they were going to incur. Whats the math on that??? I knew my calling was medicine and even after being well informed of the risks of attending an international medical school I applied and was accepted to every one I applied to without much troubles at all. Learn more, about Canadian Applicants. My family member has failed two semester and appeal for financial aid. The majority share holder to the school (Baring private equity) pumped 750million into the school a few years ago in order to expanding student resources, supporting our research and undergraduate programs, adding international capabilities, and enhancing our relationships with hospital and university partners. The only truth to this is the enhancing relationship with hospitals. And by relationships they mean the cycle of money to have sgu students go into their residency programs. We did not have the standing room only lectures as described by other posters. What was neglected in the above illustration and below commentary was that you can study hard and study smart but if 40% have to go to maintain profit margins then 40% will go. Although the average applicant brings in 1500 hours after undergrad. I strongly dislike the state of Medical schools. I laugh at situations just wondering how I made it, because its a strategy that releases burdens life threw or throws. Its now being run in such a way that I would highly recommend students look elsewhere. We rotated through various public, private and military hospitals within the same country. There are foreign nationals who also compete for the limited number of seats. My starting class began with 1100 students, we are down to 650, meaning 59 percent of my class that I started the first day here with are still here to finish off our second year. What were your study skills? USMLE 1,2 clinical equivalent. I do not. So, there is no confusion in that this university gives you the best career opportunities. I cant complain about the demographics of my residency hospital. That being said, you have to really think about how badly you want to be a doctor, because no matter what anyone says; the islands are another country. Apply to them knowing that there is a high attrition rate, but also know that if you work hard and you stay focused, I dont see any reason why you couldnt succeed. I bet you become a PA in USA Please educate yourself about this excellent profession first before undermining it. He read his psychiatry textbooks and tried to ask as many patients to share their experience with their illness as a way to understand. I know that saba has an extremely small class size which is very appealing to me as I believe an individualized learning approach is where i thrive however i also know that i need to self study as well on my own which i am not too scared of. Sure, the good Caribbean medical schools you could count on the fingers of one hand, but without them the shortage of physicians in the US would be much worse than it is now. Wow.. Eat healthy, dont overthink about that people did to you if it isnt something that physically hurt you; study and focus. Or it doesnt apply to AUA because they dont teach students anything except garbles up students financial aid money?! I have a very strong application. We have excellent professors, as we also have professors who are not the greatest (very few). Discover where Saba is located. In which court and where? Well enough that they can answer any NBME and/ or Step 1 question regarding these subjects. I am very happy to be here in the Caribbean. I think if you have no other option, Caribbeans is not a bad choice. To everyone else, my story is a bit complicated but there is truth in all the stories people shared, the negatives and positives. You are going to be hit by a different culture, different environment, may be water that wont run in the morning, sick days, landlords that dont understand your reasoning, noisy neighborhoods unless you are lucky and at a quiet island or area, thieves (there are everywhere even in US) but this time you might be the one to encounter them if life blows them your way. I am same situation. Most have matched into residency and are staff now. please have mercy upon future patients and dont even think of practicing a quack medicine. I will use all i have learned and what i will learn and find my niche and my place in the system. US grads could be taken into Residencies but not an IMG without Part II, So I still dont have a license today and tons of student loan debt because of several family catastrophies, including my husband passing and catastrophic illness of one of my children. Compared to most U.S. med schools thats a fairly high rate (meaning more students leave without a degree), but for Caribbean schools, its fairly strong (Ross University is 41.7%). In the US and some countries they filter the applicants prior to entry. (3) Some of the claims that are made in this post are just flat out absurd and factually incorrect. However, very fast pace curriculum and dont you learn anything deeply. I am particularly interested to know whether these students are more likely to end up in hospitals of last resort, where they may be more likely to get away with mistakes. Technically, you do not even need medical school to pass your NBMEs and Step 1 3. Return from Saba medical school to Medical School Insider. My lawyer eventually It seems hard for an offshore med student who passes all of the same exams as a stateside student (they have to, its mandatory, and no there are no shortcuts) to be somehow vastly inferior to the point of them being incompetent compared to stateside students. Yes-they had mandatory attendance and a dress code. Most of us did clerkships in the states, but for an IMG-that Pure Slave-labor scut-monkey shit, usually in the Inner Cities. How did you manage to keep your soul? Finally, in my experience, the costs of medical school are far beyond what they really need to be. Im not sure about his school, but SGU supplied outlines and powerpoints that were enough to learn from for the majority of the classes. We also have a health clinic on campus that also takes emergencies 24/7. it would be of tremendous help as this is something ive wanted to do my whole life. Contact Dr. Wible. Residency is worse, and getting out and practicing in an environment where you have little to no say in your workload, work environment, or even what you prescribe (formularies!) I am married and considering Caribbean, but I am concerned about where my wife would be. Students are used to having brilliant or at least decent professors. I had a 4.0 GPA for both my Psychology degrees and it was still hard to get into a good medical school. Does anyone see this as a call for help ? My hubby is deliberating between AUA (global health track) and SGU. You can not reason anatomy, pharmacology, or histology. Yes. To start, you need to be financially secure. All of the disappointments. Florentina Joseph, I am a caribbean national and I want to support that point emphatically and further state the No Caribbean medical school is owned by a Caribbean national. We have a shortage of doctors in the US and yet they are unable to increase the numbers? they are very competitive of course. I reached the clinical level (did great in basic sciences)incurred over 200K in student loan debt. Saba University School of Medicine is one of the worlds leading international medical schools, with nearly a 30-year history of educating outstanding physicians. MED5 curriculum requirements has been changing during the semester as we speak. Im just being honest with you, not meant to be mean, just honest. I work with several physicians who are IMG. Getting into a US medical school does not mean that you are necessarily more capable than another person who was rejected by the same school or all US schools for that matter. Yet the goal to expland and expedite all INTO ONTO THE USA neurtralizationat warp speed PS curing COVI the internationalist were permitted to take their entrance exams into Med Schoolon their own. Hi! OMG! I only applied to Ross and St. George because I knew my chances to get into a U.S medical school was slim to none. and because AUC has smaller class size, Federal Financial Aid availability, good housing, and NBME exam access for all subjects. For 2 semesters extra worth of tuition into the schools account? I want to also study at All Saint uni can you tell me about the school pros and cons and what it takes to study there. Who wants a doctor that only knows 60% of the material, not to mention what boards do you think you will pass? You will get discouraged and depressed sometimes. Advice: know how you learn best before you hit the islands or you will fail. Career Highlights. Out of the 53,371 applicants in 2019, just 21,869 matriculated into an allopathic medical school. The amount of resources available online is insane. We have a great psych department for those who suffer of anxiety, depression or are facing a difficult time. SGU is the 4th largest source of doctors so what you guys are saying is scaring me! its unfortunate. He is one of the best (if not the best) medical student in his clinical rotations out of almost 100 medical students at a well-known US medical teaching ccenter. I totally agree with everything youve stated and Im glad I withdrew when I did because that one semester cost me $30,000. I have read several comments on here and I understand that you may feel as if you are getting shafted, but most of the whining is coming from young inexperienced students. Plus, I had never taken physics. These Caribbean programs are fast-paced so if you miss a class, you miss a lot and its hard to catch up. My boss whose a IM doctor/director of a hospital hazed me all the way through. If the student did not attain that 70% then: A.) I apologize for the rent, I tried to make it somewhat objective and not opinionated but Im just a human with anger and disappoint. I am forever unimpressed by the medical students that intern for these off-shore programs and would guess that the real appeal is that you dont have to have the intellectual and testing measures to guage competency. Sounds like a lot has changed. Unethical business practices Compared to most U.S. medical schools, Sabas requirements arent as difficult to match. Saba University School of Medicine is one of the world's leading international medical schools, with a 30-year history of educating outstanding doctors. While all the Campuses (Barbados, Jamaica and Trinidad) offer high quality Medical degrees, I highly recommend the beautiful Cave Hill Campus in Barbados. Question for ya: Are there Caribbean schools for PAs?? The stress of clicking in, finding a seat, and waiting in lines on a campus that cant accommodate this many people is a reason for the students who drop out in the first few weeks, which my school has statistics on and they know this will happen after years of practicing the purposeful overcrowding. Things happen. Its literally a curriculum on crack. What strikes me is that its too bad this degree of effort was not put in by the majority of the enrollees while in undergrad school. Like being released into the ocean with weights to make sure you never see the sunlight on surface ever again.. sometimes we get away with mistakes (being poorly trained) but dont envy US. Meet our administrative and academic teams, Semesters 6-10, rotations and clinical studies. If you can put up with that abuse you are well suited for a carreer in todays medicine. I love my school and I am very grateful for this opportunity. Hello, Im nigerian as well. I was once a newcomer myself and someone may have thought I was incapable, but they were wrong, I was highly capable, just not confident yet. I am not trying to be rude, I am just shocked, and deeply saddened that so many students (who are no different than myself, a medical student in the U.S.) are getting taken advantage of. I have a feeling that these comments are screened, because the owner of this website clearly has an agenda to discredit Caribbean medical schools. I believe US Medical education has been throttled by the US medical profession itself. My dorm room was fine, but imo its a waste of money and you can get something better and cheaper off campus. What helps is knowing yourself, for me that was knowing that after surviving a brief Boarding school experience and then High School, I could survive anything, even being a doctor if I get there. charge me more than the car cost(!) Saba students earn top residencies at medical centers across the US and Canada. This was quite an interesting read. Plus their schooling is oriented towards osteopathic medicine, slightly different (slightly), than what is tested on the USMLE. If youve got a spare six figures or have family that funds your education, this part doesnt play into the equation. If you do go down that route I can guarantee that you will work much harder than anyone stateside for a mediocre outcome. Being a doctor is not just having an MD, but knowing how to handle your own life; and how to heal from ups and downs so that you can be an inspiration of healing other people in pain. Not having to complete an undergraduate degree to apply, certainly makes Saba open to more applicants. Very easy to give up quickly if you are not motivated. I know sometimes doctors treat someone and they think everything is alright, only to be shocked that person passed away. 5) Students who can not self study and teach themselves the material fail. English: at least one uear of college-level English literature or composition. But I am working hard and chasing a dream, certainly. What medical school are you attending? Ross keeps its USMLE pass rates up by requiring students to first pass the COMP (CBSE) exam at the end of the basic science semesters. My school is now helping out this term and they want to see the students who made it though their process succeed. How is that university can you please let me know? I personally believe that the greater part of the problem lies right here, in the United States of America. A minimum 50 hours of direct patient care (volunteering, shadowing, working as an EMT, etc. First of all, lets get one thing straight here. Beyond that, my understanding is that SGU (the oldest and most established program) now has some type of accreditation issue so that program is no longer a legitimate option. Mountain State University of West Virginia was so HORRIBLE the university lost accreditation {they had a physician assistant program} so the grass is NOT always greener on the other side! Drop out rate is also terrible. It starts with us and our behavior with each other. Please get back to me on your thoughts. Residency Placements: 94% of eligible Saba graduates attained residencies between 2019 and 2021, Saba is a fully accredited medical school, I looked at the USMLE stats, match rate, cost and class size and chose Saba. While I did face many difficulties I must say one thing- remember that it is not hard to get into a caribbean medical school. I thought Noreste in Tampico was BAD. However, I will not mention its name because I have seen others in this comment section malign and accuse others of being paid or asked by the school to do this. Are you ready to become a Saba doctor? Whats your phone number? Do you also have children. I can tell you there are no competency gaps between me and my peers. Since SJSM is accredited and has students that match, I can say truthfully that if you have everything else going for you that you can make it through and become a doctor. Of course so many were offered a second chance to become physicians but did not like the island and decided to leave, or were not a material for med school. Students will then be able to write their licensing exam and apply as a junior doctor. I already feel sorry for the innocent people who will be forced to be seen by a QUACK like you. If you really need to be a doctor and have the ability to learn, may be the world has a place for you to get that done. The stress of studying away from home might be unfair if you compare to other schools; but it depends how you compare or should you even be comparing. I am currently in limbo with applying to Ross Univ. Point being, dont give SGU a reason to dismiss you. Every school cares about money, but they have a good track record from my first-hand observation. A complete overhaul is needed. And thats the outcome for the bright students. Please Jane, Im happy I found a Nigerian here. Failure is thinking things will always work the way you want them to. I cant believe that adults would allow such for-profit medical schools to continue like this! We know that US medical schools are not the ivory towers either. This is touching. I do believe that a reasonably strong candidate should be able to get a DO spot as I know people who got in on the second and third application cycle. The SGA wanted to confirm that this wasnt going to happen. I completed med-school at a Caribbean school and scored at or above the US average on all step exams. I wouldnt want a physician who couldnt maintain a C to work on me or anyone on my family. I know this is a late response, but perhaps it might help others. 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