I am not convinced. Kusaal (like English) has quite a number of agent nouns with idiosyncratic meanings not immediately obvious from the verb meaning, but people still associate them with the relevant verb (e.g. We have early records of the Amorites because they came into contact with the Sumerians in the third millennium B.C.E. >Good to have confirmation of Early European Farmer ancestry in the Maghreb. Turns out it is, just not the way youd think. I knew he likened evolution in biology to evolution in linguistics, but he barely engaged in phylogenetics at all. Very interesting. A deaf person asked him if he has any recommendations for deaf learners, and the guy didnt answer. We see it right before our eyes: the South Slavic continuum (the part of it where you have cases to the west and dont have cases to the east). Again, Im incompetent to assess that idea. Still, it shows at the very least that hunter-gatherers are well able to spread single language families over a large area. Unlike Mller, Lepsius considered that Hausa and Nama were part of the Hamitic group. It is not up to splitters to prove a negative. I just noticed I missed a whole bunch of comments here. list for which it is diminutive. It seems that instead, something advantaged Niger-Congo and Nilo-Saharan. IIRC, logarithms of Bayes factors are generally negative and mean higher support the smaller they are. Check out the Academia page of Guillaume Jacques. Ruhlen-level stuff. Someone should package this into a transcendant essay the worlds languages have many wonderful etymologies for hedgehog, but only one for fox. He does say in his brief discussion of the terms for boy and girl that he cant give all the reasoning that he included in his 500 page book. Usual historical linguistics, by looking at morphology, can easily decode this, but blind judgment will simply be mistaken. His Historical-Comparative Reconstruction of Nilo-Saharan has a version on p. 66 (maybe it was this book). Nor do these problems come as news to comparativists, who have been well aware of them right from the beginning. Not having any tutelage in linguistics, I have trouble making out what the descriptor topological stands in contradistinction to. Also, I think without the ability to compare to something like Meroitic, your statement about the age of the NES relationship isnt well-founded. The view on phylogeny expressed in Gldemann 2008 is subordinate to his purpose: the area constituted by certain features should display a considerable amount of internal genealogical diversity, so he says Kordofanian, Mande, Atlantic, Dogon, and Ijoid are not recognized as established members (which does not imply that none of them will turn out to be a valid member in the future). Now youve got me reading Vydrin on Mande & Niger-Congo Toward a Proto-Mande reconstruction and an etymological dictionary (2016). Such an editor is going to have trouble finding qualified referees, I suppose. To crowd your coffin when youre dead. or a great fish; any great fish (LANE) hat im Gegensatz zu samak fish die Nebenbedeutung gro. Is the NES relationship twice as old as PIE? Nuer does (both mono- and diphthongs); perhaps he went mad from the revelation. Also stripping it of is uninteresting. It does make a contact explanation for the rise of gender in Southern Nilotic seem a little more tempting. The same with David L. Gold and Rodger C., (does pescada extend to all meanings?). Also torsk (= cod) as a client of prostitutes rings a bell. That does sound like what I was envisioning, if thats a more accurate assessment of NS. SD 5: 699 (1347, gammal afskr.). I wonder if the errors are just in the published paper or were actually in the study itself. Umm el-Marra, Syria. Via Dmitry Pruss on Facebook, an open-access Cell paper, The genomic history of the Middle East by Mohamed A. Almarri, Marc Haber, Reem A. Lootah, Pille Hallast, Saeed Al Turki, Hilary C. Martin, Yali Xue, and Chris Tyler-Smith: The Middle East region is important to understand human evolution and migrations but is underrepresented in genomic studies. By contrast, in French, uninflected verbs surface to the level of the word, as is the case in English. Anyway: textbooks claim that Mande is N-K, Wikipedia does, this paper does NOT say it. Is it? This would have required access to a different root, that is, the root /v/, which is used in the formation of the singular forms of the present tense of the verb. Here Blench is explicitly confusing the method with the data. First the authors rarely engage with the literature, failing to describe the errors that presumably characterise the proposals of those who want to argue for the reality of particular phyla. but for some reason dikobraz just didnt sound like a porcupine. It calls for subsidy if you ask me. fish. Furthermore, the substituting inflection generally is selected within the targets paradigm; for example, a verb inflection is substituted by another verb inflection, indicating that subcategorization features of lexical items are not violated. Attempts that Ive seen to prove cognacy are usually lamentable. No. To me, separate movements of Natufian related peoples at widely divergent periods, into Egypt, North African and Ethiopia (more than once), where they found a crazy diversity of substrates that in some cases involved hunter-gatherers whose languages may have been diverging for 70,000 years or more in situ, and interacted with them for centuries in non-state settings where most forces were centrifugal, few were homogenizing. Off-hand, I cant think of any language that does make such a distinction. ), so we dont have access to the list of characters, though it was probably a near-subset of those used later. The Proto-Sinaitic character for /n/, on the other hand, was based on the Egyptian symbol representing /d/, a hieroglyph depicting a serpent, and received its Semitic value from the initial consonant in the Proto-Sinaitic word for snake.. . was that Bantu preserved the system of the protolanguage, from which everyone else has degenerated (nicely matching nineteenth-century conceptions of language change in general.) When some people in your ethnic confederation, like the Khazar Khaganate or the Siberian Khanate, say kala, and some say balk, thats a kalabalik (kalabaliikki). Tomorrow Ill dig up the quotes from the paper I coauthored in 2020 where we managed to handle the fact that we didnt even agree on whether the species we were describing was an amphibian or an amniote. In both cases there are numerous sg/pl affix pairings which can be securely reconstructed to the respecting protolanguages: but the striking thing when you look at them without any preconceptions is that the great majority dont match. There is abundant evidence for the spread of languages like Mande, Songhay and Hausa over the last couple of millennia (or even later.) which are strengths of Bayesian methods and have been successfully used to date the divergences of Indo-European (Gray & Atkinson 2003; Atkinson et al. What we did [] was to construct a database including several WGmc and two NGmc languages to serve as an outgroup. . It wasnt back in 2005. 1. People who want to go live in/visit Israel. 2. Religious Jews. 3. Christians who want to study the Old Testament. 4. Linguists like me who, Ever The data really do speak for themselves. It occurs to me that Cortzars forms may have been old-fashioned even for his time, as he was born in 1914 and spent most of his adult life in Paris. Mehri ayd, Jibbali ud, od, Socotri odh fish, beside Hebrew yid a hunt, hunting and Syriac ayd hunting, hunt, prey, quarry) is similar to this, too. Blench hopes to find evidence for Niger-KongoNilo-Saharan common roots. However, I realize I have no clear idea what to expect for how body sizes should vary among fish. They also describe North African Amazighen and Arab genetics as being similar, with heterogeneity and many outliers, but that neighboring populations tend to mirror each other more than people elsewhere to whom theyre culturally connected. Theres a Wikipedia article about Joseph Wright in Gothic. The modern term is KONGO. Also in bezobrznyj ugly (image-less). To use the last sentence in a shop selling food would imply that it sells live fish (whether or not it also sells dead fish). Proto-Mande is certainly doable. Ethiopic has the same form as in Cushitic. Theres a good dictionary of Moba, the Gurma language which borders on Kusaal, and noun cognates are easy to find, while verb cognates are surprisingly few. I love the fact that it can be used Meton., of a hero, champion the way falcon can in Russian. P.S. This greatly increased the number of changes that had to be reconstructed for each branch, therefore made the branches longer, and therefore inflated all reconstructed ages. But Swahili (Language of the Coasts) has borrowed the word fish from Arabic. sakana is 1. Just discovered that singulative in Breton is unanderenn where unander is sg. and -enn is singulative suffix. Kmmel has been collecting evidence that the same holds for *h. Someone else could comment on this more knowledgeably, but I dont like this argument., I dont like it too, but popularity of the profession indeed depends on (1) its prestige (2) other opportunities (3) finding people who just want to do it (who too feel better when there is a thriving community of enthusiasts). I dont know how they do it in these latter days of Orwellian food safety. However, Christopher Ehret (1979), Harold Fleming (1981), and Joseph Greenberg (1981) all agree that the Omotic branch split from the rest first. I wonder if there is an archaic word for fish found somewhere in Korean that represents what was replaced by mulgogi. * The author of all three works is a Uralicist, though, so his choice of PU reconstructions is likely to be much better than those of almost anyone who has tried to work on Indo-Uralic before. ib NS 1: 137 ( 1402 ), 138, 327 ( 1404 ), 464 ( 1405 ), 2: 309 ( 1410 ). Linguistic analyses: The non-Bantu languages of north-eastern Africa. Our IE database includes only two WGmc languages, OE and OHG, and they are at the extremes of the WGmc group. Are salmon a freshwater or a saltwater fish? On reflection, the mediopassive -r would be rather different from the locatives involved in progressive forms: rather than being an integral part of the relevant construction itself, it would be a sort of reinforcement of the meaning already inherent in a mediopassive verb, emphasising that the effect of the action didnt pass over to any other entity apart from the subject. In Latin America, pez has been largely ousted by pescado for both meanings. Maybe Nilo-Hamitic wasnt a completely stupid idea after all? Overall progression thus involves an evolution in construction types. This is the region of greatest internal genetic diversity within all of Oti-Volta, but its also a Sprachbund, as is apparent from the happy accident that the Western Oti-Volta language Boulba has wandered into the area, and participated in almost (but not quite) all the phonological changes that Manessy thought were inherited common innovations demarcating his Eastern Oti-Volta grouping. Auroch? An alternative analysis is simply to say that people who speak these languages know the words katab, kutib, maktab, etc. Conversely, the idea of the expansion of a pastoral or hunter-gatherer language group across vast agricultural lands at a time when the advantage of the horse was unknown would be surprising to me. The idea is undermined by that IE genders are also not too stable and can be used creatively. Just Merritt-Ruhlen-level failures to grasp the basic principles of genuine research. I Two occurrences of Nature and two sets of parentheses are unintended result of my, apparently unfinished, attempt to make it less ambiguos:(, The latter two are just spinoffs of the first, created mainly to maximize all impact factors, I found it funny, and at the same time logical and even reassuring that the lightest and more accessible (more pics and less math) journal is on the top of the hierarchy. We have (then) gained a quantification of which phylogenetic hypothesis, which hypothetical tree, is the most parsimonious. You can say the same about any crank: If he believes the earth is flat, he is right to object to the round-earth hypothesis. You seem to have a charming but unhelpful (if one is searching for truth) fondness for cranks. Fachtagung der Indogermanischen Gesellschaft vom 5. bis 9. The haplogroup common in Natufians, E1b1b, is also frequent in our dataset, with most lineages coalescing 8.3 (79.7) kya, though we also found a rare deeply divergent Y chromosome, which coalesces 39 kya (Figure S2). Viva Messi!) And you can support my book habit without even spending money on me by following my Amazon links to do your shopping (if, of course, you like shopping on Amazon); As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases (I get a small percentage of every dollar spent while someone is following my referral links), and every month I get a gift certificate that allows me to buy a few books (or, if someone has bought a big-ticket item, even more). Also not inspiring confidence: may testify to seem to would seem to have would appear to have, Amorite is simply the first attested West Semitic language. IIRC some of the other groups in SE Asia have the same nearly everything is isolating problem, but Sino-Tibetan is particularly blatant because of how long-range it is (Sinitic split off from the rest of Tibeto-Burman something like 5-6 kiloyears ago, and some other Trans-Himalayan languages might have split off even earlier). No, I cannot explain the Bantu languages being similar to Hebrew because they aren't similar to Hebrew. I speak Hebrew fluently and I have a degree was evidently oversimplifying the matter, but not crudely. In the domain of morphology, Miceli, Mazzucchi, Menn, and Goodglass (1983) demonstrate the importance of parametric variation. The Proto-Sinaitic character for /n/, on the other hand, was based on the Egyptian symbol representing /d/, a hieroglyph depicting a serpent, and received its Proto-Sinaitic value from the initial consonant in the Semitic word for snake.. In the 19th century, Europeans also began suggesting such relationships. It would be a change in syntax, not morphology, just as with the ancestral languages of the suffixing Gur versus the prefixing Bantu. There, Mesopotamian culture is more pervasive than at Ebla, where native traditions in art and in religion are apparent. A good many Hausaphones (some pretty eminent) have published on Hausa, for example. and would advise. This is not a feature of the method, it is incompetence in its execution. If you trust the grammars, the Chilean case is supposed to be the same, and its only the distinctive phonology that causes it to be realised as [al(a)i(h)] (habli, habl). Is it? Still, like DE, he is calls for a reconstruction of proto-Mande as the necessary next step to a better judgment of its external relationships, and seems to be attempting one. Sometimes thats good enough but I feel like I need to nail this stuff down or at least have a more practical reference at hand than wiki linguistics entries. Mongolian/English dictionary Y R Chao goes into some detail about how his own experience of different Sinitic languages sparked his interest in Chinese linguistics (though with a man like Chao you wonder, chicken or egg?). And more. I found this paper in the footnotes to a paper by Starostin arguing that Nobiin did not diverge from other Nile-Nubian languages first, but rather, there is a strong substrate influence in Nobiin. Yeah, I dont recall his commenting here, but he follows the site and is a faithful link-sender. that didnt look like any kind of Egyptian name for me, so I looked it up. Welsh is quite fond of making singulatives out of plurals, which then oust the original singular form, as with llygoden mouse Oh dear. (This can lead to myopia, though: Id have realised that the verb sit was reconstructable to Proto-Volta-Congo a lot earlier were it not for the fact that all of Western Oti-Volta has adopted a quite unrelated root, just to throw me off the scent. But assuming this is the underlying paper: oh. The basic question raised by the above is how did Berber arise, if not via the influx from the Middle East that was present by roughly 3700 BC. If theres no comparable morphology, things get harder. Cf. Im not really competent to address the idea that a language groups origin should be in the place where it has the greatest diversity of languages and groups. Sanskrit has a vast and varied literature, the meaning of which is on the whole clear. The bit of apian anatomy responsible was called a stinger in Texas, I maybe remember. Youre probably talking about something like Indo-European in terms of overall diversity, and there are a lot of well-described Mande languages nowadays to be working with. Let the software count which phylogenetic hypothesis accounts for all the contradictory data in the most parsimonious way. Ugaritic, Hebrew dg, dag [compared to aforementioned *du- by llich-Switych] Structure dependence emerges when these lexical units are combined in simple-clause structure, realized by morphosyntactic markings of verbargument relations. This is plausible enough with many of the Kwa languages, but already runs in trouble with Atlantic, where the classes certainly are typologically very like Bantu classes but the actual form-meaning correspondences are only discernible by wishful thinking with the exception of the human and liquid classes. (Proto-Bantu, for example, is pretty solid, despite the fact that there are no sources going back more than a few centuries.) Leaving aside the tremendous nonsense of the whole methodology, what seems to have happened is that they have assumed that the evident primary division of Semitic into Akkadian-Eblaite versus The Rest shows that everything is basically derived from Akkadian, or something pretty Akkadian-like, at any rate. However, if borrowed SOV word order is counted as a single diffused areal trait, it may be argued that it should rank high in significance for defining the linguistic area, since it is much more difficult for a language to change so much of its basic structure under areal influence than it is to acquire less complex traits. >The really striking thing about the paper for me was how overwhelmingly Natufian the ancestry of Arabian Arabs is. But the basic yes/no on adenine, cytosine, thymine and guanine is binary and unforgiving. What Y said. what is the Helsinki slang word for fish? Heres his magnum opus on Nilo-Saharan, Actually he has 3 volumes (5, 7 and 8 hundred pages respectively) named: : ., about Khoi-San, East Sudanic and NS respectively. It probably means that foxes are not everyday familiar animals to the Kusaasi, though. This was also supported by the presence of similar mtDNA haplogroups (U6, M1) associated with the back-to-Africa migration, suggesting a continuity between Later Stone Age and Early Neolithic populations in the Maghreb. It would perhaps be right to say that his views are conservative except where they contradict his own data. 2000 years is not actually a long time compared with the probable time depth of NES: these languages are nowhere near as closely related to one another as the Germanic or the Romance languages, so a rigorous reconstruction of the protolanguage would take one back to a much earlier date than that. Yes. Vagina nationum, *** , sounds much less obscene to my ear. Vocabolario Etimologico della Lingua Italiana Lump? The sci.lang FAQ Perhaps it can be generalized to any sociolects and dialects to an extent (just to an extent): they can be shaped by decisions, not mere action of some language machine that obeys language laws. Thats hilarious about Kehf and Kelif. 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